Did you know that "white Americans" INVENTED the HIV virus aand loosed it on the world to kill black people? That is HATE speech fully as bad as the Ku Klux Klan--maybe worse (the Klan, although clearly racist and a purveyor of HATE, does not put out, tomy knowledge, much stuff this ridiculously false)..
Yes, a bunch of tapes of sermaons of Jermiah Wright have surfaced. This is significant because Wright is Obama's pastor, and he actually married Barack and Michelle Obama. Obama and Wright are not even just pastor and members of the congregation, but it is wellknown that they have been CLOSE.
Barack Obama chose this church. And he chose to stay in this church for 20 years. I am sorry. It is one of my crusades that elections should be about issues, rather than smears. But this is so shocking that there is simply no doubt that it reflects on Barack Obama's qualifications to be President of the United States. Obama listened to this hate speech for 20 years, and could not have been "close" to Jeremiah Wright without being aware of his hateful views. You just can't do this, and not expect it to be an issue in your Presidential campaing. Wright's views are simply too shocking, and not a matter of debate (either as to the sermons actually distributed on videotape or as to the fact that those sermons constitute hate speech).
You doubt me? (If you do on this one you really are a fool--more a fool than doubting any other entry I can remember). Here are some examples of OTHER statements of Reverend Wright:
1. Narcotics are being allowed/imported into the country by the government (wite people) in order to kill black people and put black young men in jail.
2. America was responsible for 9/11 because we are the main terrorist in the world (making us deserve being hit back). Admittedly, this is close to the Ron Paul positon, but Ron Paul is hardly a person to emulate on this.
3. America has been the main terrorist nation in the world since at least Hiroshima and Nagasaki (Japanesee cities upon which we dropped the atomic bomb).
4. Unlike Ron Paul (who has his own isolationist philosophy to which he has remained true, even though it is nuts), Jeremiah Wright is saying the above things (listen tot the sermons--all over conservative talk shows, Fox News, and even other places) to promote an agenda of RACISM, and an agenda that the U.S.A. is an evil country. The racism is the idea that whites are out to deliberately destroy blacks and that that blacks need to, in effect, regard thhemselves as in a war with white America. You can't listen to these sermons and not come to that conclusion (Obama had to realize it). Jeremiah Wright is effectively saying that we are already in a racial war which white people have never stopped conduction against black people--deliberately.
5. We should not be saying "God bless America". We should be saying "God damn America" (repeated by Wright at lest three times so that listeners can be sure to get the point. Yes, Wright is talking about the U.S.A. being the main enemy of blacks, and basically all other people--especially "people of color"--in the world.
The above examples are NOT taken out of context. In context they sounded worse. Thhese sermons wre given in that "preacher's voice"--you know, that gospel voice that Obama seems to have imported to olitics (Huckabee too, to a lesser degree). In other words, Wright gives his message of HATE as if the word is coming from God himself.
This is just not acceptable. What if John McCain was a long time member of a church whose pastor virtally stated that we are in a racial war in this country, where black people are "polluting" white values and society (or some such idiocy), and trying to destroy white society by importing narcotics?
NO white candidate could survive (we are talking survive--not just having it be a campaign issue) being associated with a church like that.
It is no different. these things that Wright has said are just too despicable and shocking to "pass" on the grounds that blacks have been oppressed for so long. I was willing to go with black communities having "special needs" for a church as to Reverend Wright's adcovcacy of "black values". This is not that. This is HATE speech, and virulent anti-American speedh. Wright has a right to say it (as white racists have a right to say hateful things), but a major politician just can't belong to a church like this. That he belonged for 20 years is a disgrace.
White politicians are expected to not belong to ANY organization with an hint of racism (including not accepting minority members). The media raised a (false) scandal about George Allen because he had allegedly used the "N-----" word 20 years ago in college. The list just goes on and on.
Jeremiah right has engaged in a pattern of actual hate speech. Obama can't get a pass on that. Obama should have disassociated himself long ago from Wright's church, and his failure to do so is disturbing--just like a while politician is expected not to have belonged to a racially exclusive private club for 20 years (whether the politician resigns from the private club in the political campaign or not).
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If anyone took the time to read the Black Value System on the church web site, none of this would be surprising at all.
I think art1920 is absolutely correct, and I have to plead guilty here myself. Oh, I knew aboutt he "Black Value System" on the website. I even knew it had a substantial racist component to it.
However, I bought into the leftist idea (strongly racist in itself--see tonight's entry) that we have to make allowances for "black pride", and the fact that black people have suffered from racism for several centuries (including, of course, the great evil of slavery).
Hoever, it is wrong to excuse things that promoote racial hatred, whether they come from blacks (promoting the African-American community in a perverted, self-destructive way) or from whites.
I even criticized Sean Hannity on this. My concern was that we really should not want to have politics in this country descend to the leve of parsing every word of every sermon of every candidate's pastor. I stand by that, but admit that I failed to appreciate the magnitiude of what was going on here.
Here's my take on Wright and Obama
http://journals.aol.com/slapinions/Slap-Inionscom/entries/2008/03/17/on-obama-rev.-wright-and-my-objection-to-restrictions-on-speech/2307
"Did you know that "white Americans" INVENTED the HIV virus aand loosed it on the world to kill black people? That is HATE speech fully as bad as the Ku Klux Klan--maybe worse (the Klan, although clearly racist and a purveyor of HATE, does not put out, tomy knowledge, much stuff this ridiculously false).."
The suggestion re: the HIV virus was silly, irresponsible, and insulting, but no where near the hate speech of the Ku Klux Klan, which actually advocates prospective killing of and violence toward people based on racist ideology. By contrast, the HIV comment assigns false blame toward others for deaths of people, but does not advocate killing of or violence toward those people who are wrongly blamed, or toward anyone else.
"Yes, a bunch of tapes of sermaons [sp] of Jermiah Wright have surfaced. ..."
And my question to you would be, in interpreting the "offending remarks" in these sermons, did you actually listen to them within context, i.e. with the few minutes before and/or after the remarks, or did you just rely on the clipped remarks, 15-30 seconds in length, to formulate that interpretation? I'll get to the reason I ask in a bit.
"... Obama listened to this hate speech for 20 years, and could not have been "close" to Jeremiah Wright without being aware of his hateful views. ..."
On what evidence are you basing this conclusion? So far, about 60-90 seconds of offending remarks since September 2001 have surfaced from sermons given by Rev. Wright at Trinity United Methodist Church. Obama stated that until roughly two weeks ago, he hadn't heard the specific offending remarks in question. A few days later, in his speech on race, Obama stated that during his experience with the church, he had heard controversial statements (not necessarily the offending remarks in question), and he had heard political and philosophical views which he strongly disagreed with (not necessarily the offending remarks in question). Further, other than the offending 60-90 seconds in question, no other instances or occasions of similar remarks have been made public, and there is no evidence suggesting that Obama was within earshot of Rev. Wright when the offending remarks were made, or that Obama had to have been within earshot of Rev. Wright if any other similar remarks were made on other occasions, or exactly what percentage of what Wright said in his sermons over the past 20 years was similar to what was said in the offending remarks, or what percentage of Wright sermons over the past 20 years Obama was actually in a position to hear, and whether there is any intersection as to these last two points. Given this, how can you or anyone else logically conclude that "Obama listened to this hate speech for 20 years"?
"Here are some examples of OTHER statements of Reverend Wright:
1. Narcotics are being allowed/imported into the country by the government (wite people) in order to kill black people and put black young men in jail."
Not exactly what Rev. Wright said, but close. He said that the drugs were being let into the country, and the drugs were killing black people and putting black men in jail. He did not say that the purpose behind the drugs being let into the country was the eventual killing and jailing of black people.
"2. America was responsible for 9/11 because we are the main terrorist in the world (making us deserve being hit back). Admittedly, this is close to the Ron Paul positon, but Ron Paul is hardly a person to emulate on this.
3. America has been the main terrorist nation in the world since at least Hiroshima and Nagasaki (Japanesee cities upon which we dropped the atomic bomb)."
False. Rev. Wright never said or implied that the U.S. was the main terrorist in the world, but only a past purveyor of terrorism, like many countries, which is true. Wright also didn't place responsibility for the 9/11 attacks on the U.S., but on a cycle of historical unjustified world violence, for some of which the U.S. was a participant. Wright also called the attacks "horrible" and spoke mournfully of the deaths of people at the World Trade Center (just a bit before and after the "chickens coming home to roost" part, which came in a large section of the sermon he was quoting from a white former U.S. ambassador who had appeared on the Fox News Channel the previous night).
"4. Unlike Ron Paul (who has his own isolationist philosophy to which he has remained true, even though it is nuts), Jeremiah Wright is saying the above things (listen tot the sermons--all over conservative talk shows, Fox News, and even other places) to promote an agenda of RACISM, and an agenda that the U.S.A. is an evil country. …
5. We should not be saying "God bless America". We should be saying "God damn America" (repeated by Wright at lest three times so that listeners can be sure to get the point. Yes, Wright is talking about the U.S.A. being the main enemy of blacks, and basically all other people--especially "people of color"--in the world."
Here is where it might have helped if you had listened to the offending remarks within context. Within 4-5 minutes prior to the "God damn America" remarks (in a sermon titled, "Confusing Government with God", Wright refers to Bill Clinton's presidency as a period when "we had an intelligent friend in the White House" (in contrast with George W. Bush's presidency, which Wright criticizes). This doesn't quite reconcile with the proposition that Wright was pushing an agenda that the U.S. is an evil country. And where Wright spoke of past or present racial injustice toward blacks (as well as Native Americans and Japanese Americans) in America in that sermon, it was in reference to the U.S. government as the perpetrator, which, while mostly or all white in those references, did not encompass all white people or white people generally. The point was to criticize imperfect governments, not races of people. When Wright said "God damn America", he didn't actually say or mean "God should damn America". He said, rather than singing, "God bless America" even though the American government has treated many of its people unfairly, the refrain should be "God damn America" for that treatment, and if America (it's government) chooses to position itself as G
"The above examples are NOT taken out of context. In context they sounded worse. Thhese sermons wre given in that "preacher's voice"--you know, that gospel voice that Obama seems to have imported to olitics (Huckabee too, to a lesser degree). In other words, Wright gives his message of HATE as if the word is coming from God himself."
Most of your examples were taken out of context, and some examples were simply misstatements of the record. On the internet, there is about a 9-10 minute clip of the post-9/11 sermon, which clears up a lot of misunderstanding and story manipulation surrounding the "chickens coming home to roost" remarks (with the remarks coming at about the 4-5 minute mark), and there is a 6 minute clip of the "God damn America" sermon, which does the same thing with respect to the "God damn America" remarks. I'm not saying it's unreasonable for some people to take offense at those remarks. I'm just saying that the intent was nowhere near what the mainstream media and conservative punditry has made it out to be, by relying on cut-and-paste snippets trotted out by Fox News and unscrutinized by mentally lazy people quick to opinionate and looking to stir up a major campaign controversy.
"This is just not acceptable. What if John McCain was a long time member of a church whose pastor virtally stated that we are in a racial war in this country, where black people are "polluting" white values and society (or some such idiocy), and trying to destroy white society by importing narcotics?
NO white candidate could survive (we are talking survive--not just having it be a campaign issue) being associated with a church like that. ..."
What do you mean by that last sentence, especially with that word "survive"? Is that a subtle call to violence against Obama? I doubt it, but that type of accusation is where this level of word scrutiny leads.
mrs. obama says americans raise their kids to be timid.
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